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INTERVIEW: Veronica Roth, author of DIVERGENT

Veronica Roth, 22, is the author of Divergent, a dystopian YA thriller which is currently a New York Times bestseller.

It’s set in a Chicago of the future where society is divided into five factions: Dauntless (the brave), Abnegation (the selfless), Erudite (the intelligent), Candor (the honest) and Amity (the peaceful). Every citizen is assigned one of these factions when they turn 16, but Beatrice decides to go against the flow…with thrilling and potential life-threatening consequences. You can read more about it on her excellent and constantly updated website. I chatted to Veronica along with authors Ally Carter and Kody Keplinger about YA books (and specifically theirs) being adapted for the screen. Divergent has been picked up by Summit, the company behind the Twilight movies. You can read that below, or on The Huffington Post U.K. However, inevitably lack of space meant I wasn’t able to use all of their answers, so I thought I’d publish them in full here. The interviews with Kody and Ally can also be found on this page. Enjoy!

Did you have a movie of your book in mind when you were writing it?

Not really! I barely had a book in mind when I was writing it—by which I mean, I was just focused on what was right in front of me, not what it would ultimately become. I do sort of think in “movie,” if that makes sense—I let the scene play out in visual form in my head before I write it, usually. But I never thought that my mental-movie-translated-to-words might be again translated into movie.

Do you think “teen” films, which by their nature are generally PG and appealing to the widest possible audience, can adequately deal with the complexities of a YA novel?

I try to think of movies that are based on books as supplements to those books, not replacements. We get into trouble when we expect something in one format to match the other format perfectly—it’s a new work, and it’s allowed to be different. Some things that work on the page just don’t work on screen, and for that reason I try to be forgiving when moviemakers alter things for the sake of the new medium. I have also found that, with some movies based on YA books, if most people involved in the process (from screenwriter to actor) are familiar with the book, they can capture a lot of subtleties in their work. So basically, I try to keep my expectations realistic, and I enjoy movies-from-books a lot more that way.

How are you finding the process of book to film?

It’s been great! I am by nature a defensive pessimist, which means I always assume the worst for the sake of my own sanity, so everything encouraging that happens with the film is a pleasant surprise to me. We are still early in the process, though, so I don’t know much about it yet.

To what extent are you involved in the production, or are you of the Tom Wolfe-style belief you should take the cheque and then let the film be its own thing?

I am fortunate enough to have my “film rep guy” (as I call him) Pouya Shahbazian, working with the production company, so he keeps me aware of how things are going as best he can. Summit and Red Wagon have also been great. Again, it’s early. To be honest, I don’t want to be too involved—I don’t make movies, I write books, and I want to focus my time and energy on that.

Do you have actors you think would be good for the movie in your head? If so, who?

I hadn’t thought about it until recently, when readers started asking me! Practically speaking, I would prefer little-known actors to big names. I love to see movies with faces I’ve never seen before. Plus, it’s hard to cast Tris—she’s not supposed to be pretty, and most actresses are!

Is it potentially damaging that YA books are so popular for the movies right now that people might be writing them specifically because they think they’d be good films, rather than as a novel in their own right?

Honestly, I don’t think this is a huge danger. First of all, making a movie is such a difficult process—there are no guarantees, especially if a book doesn’t sell well enough as a book, which should come first! Second of all, writing a book is such an involved process that it’s hard to get through one even if you love it for what it is, let alone if you’re just writing one so it can become something else. Basically, this would be like becoming a supermodel just so that you can become a fashion designer—becoming one is hard enough, let alone both, and they require a completely different set of skills. So I think that damaging scenario is possible, surely, but it would be rare and might not work out so well.

Why do you think that YA books are so popular in Hollywood right now, when previously teen flicks have tended to be original stories (John Hughes etc.)?

Making movies is like making a huge bet. You can have a pretty good idea of what will do well, but you can never be sure. So the appeal of turning a book into a movie is that you have a guaranteed fanbase already—it feels like less of a gamble (even if its just a fraction less)! That, combined with the fact that the growing YA genre has fascinating and wonderful stories and characters, makes it pretty appealing, I think. That said, I’m not sure why now. Maybe it’s just that a few were successful and now everyone sees that it can work.

 

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Harry’s gone…but Hollywood’s not done with YA novels

The Harry Potter movie saga has come to a (lucrative) close, but the success of that child-friendly franchise sparked a rejuvenation in children’s literature, as well as books for teens. Says author Ally Carter: “We are going through a Golden Age of Young Adult Fiction.”

That’s not only true on the bookshelves, but in Hollywood. Movie producers are looking more than ever to the YA book market for properties thanks to the success of Twilight and Potter, as they desperately try to find the next big teen hit.

“Clearly, Hollywood producers have noticed the boom too and have seen what wonderful material is out there,” says Kody Keplinger, a Kentuckian who wrote her debut novel The DUFF while still in high school. It’s now being turned into a film, produced by Charlie’s Angels director McG. “How could any producer read The Hunger Games and NOT want to make it into a movie?”

It’s particularly interesting considering most so-called teen movies of the modern era have tended to be original ideas. John Hughes’ films of the Eighties like The Breakfast Club. Cameron Crowe’s Say Anything. The American Pie series. Dazed And Confused. She’s All That and 10 Things I Hate About You. Superbad. The list goes on.

Now however, authors selling their manuscript are just as likely to find themselves in a bidding war for the film rights. The aforementioned Hunger Games trilogy by Suzanne Collins is currently being given the big-budget treatment. Ally Carter’s Heist Society series has just been optioned for Hollywood by Drew Barrymore, who is planning to direct. One of Emma Watson’s first post-Hermione projects is The Perks Of Being A Wallflower, adapted from the novel by Stephen Chbosky.

Summit Entertainment – who gambled and won with the cinematic version of Stephenie Meyer’s fantasy franchise – have dozens of YA book adaptations in the pipeline. One of those is Divergent by debut writer Veronica Roth, the first in a planned trilogy set in a dystopian future where teens are initiated for life into virtue-orientated factions.

“Making movies is like making a huge bet,” she says. “You can have a pretty good idea of what will do well, but you can never be sure. So the appeal of turning a book into a movie is that you have a guaranteed fanbase already – it feels like less of a gamble (even if it’s just a fraction less)!”

Perhaps too, it’s that Potter and Twilight in particular have demonstrated to young wannabe writers there’s actually money to be made in YA fiction. That combined with the fact that most young authors grew up on a steady diet of films and TV.

“I am a self-professed movie junkie and I tend to be a very visual person,” says Ally Carter. “For me, writing is largely about describing the movie that I see in my head. Whether or not any of my books ever become feature films, I still hope that readers get that same kind of visual, immediate experience from reading the stories.  Those are the types of books that I enjoy reading, so they are also the type of books that I try to write.”

Keplinger agrees. “I always write somewhat cinematically – seeing how the scenes would play out in live action as I put the words on paper, “ she says. “I tend to cast almost everything I write, just to get a good image.” (she mentions Emma Stone, Ellen Page and Mae Whitman as some names who have been bandied around for the movie version).

But is there is a potential problem in people trying to write books (and publishers churning them out) just so they can be films and TV shows? After all, once people start writing to a specific formula with specific goals beyond mere passion, the results can become diluted.

“Honestly, I don’t think this is a huge danger,” says Roth. “Writing a book is such an involved process that it’s hard to get through one even if you love it for what it is, let alone if you’re just writing one so it can become something else. Basically, this would be like becoming a supermodel just so that you can become a fashion designer—becoming one is hard enough, let alone both, and they require a completely different set of skills.”

Adds Carter: “I for one don’t think that increased popularity or awareness of the genre is going to dilute the quality of the genre as long as readers, librarians, booksellers, editors and agents maintain their current high standards.”

Still, while the lure of Hollywood can be intoxicating, the landscape is littered with authors who have sold their vision only to see it trashed by the suits and focus groups as well as inept scripts and disinterested directors. This is particularly challenging with teen fare, whose fans are vociferous in their devotion. For instance, when blonde Jennifer Lawrence was cast as brunette heroine Katniss Everdeen in The Hunger Games, the blogosphere went into turmoil, despite the actress’s Oscar nom.

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Similarly, while lauded figures like J.K. Rowling enjoy tight control on the film adaptations of their properties, that’s not always the case with lesser names.

“I try to think of movies that are based on books as supplements to those books, not replacements,” argues Veronica Roth. “To be honest, I don’t want to be too involved – I don’t make movies, I write books and I want to focus my time and energy on that.”

Says Keplinger: “I knew going in that an option didn’t necessarily mean a film would happen, but that a producer was interested. That interest, for me, was flattering enough.”

In fact, it seems the best – and maybe only – way is to be sanguine about it and remember it wasn’t ever about seeing Gwyneth Paltrow playing your hero’s mum.

“In the past six years I’ve had two different books under option with three different companies, so I’ve been around the block a few times,” says Ally Carter. “I can’t control whether or not my books ever make it onto the screen.  I certainly can’t control whether or not those movies would be any good.  But I have complete control over my novels, so that is where my focus shall remain.”

 

 

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